What is Unconditional Election? Well, to elect is to choose. We are familiar with this, living in a democracy as we do. Unconditional means simply that - that there are no conditions that we have met to be chosen by God.
Now some will undoubtedly say that God, in His foreknowledge, looked down the “corridors of time” and knew who would choose Him on their own. There are some problems with this view. First, whenever God foreknows, He foreknows people, not events or facts. It is true that He knows fact and events beforehand, but that is not how “know” is used of God in the Bible. For example, in Matt. 7:23 Jesus says “I never knew you, depart from Me”. Amos 3:2 says, “You only have I known of all the families of the earth…” Surely God knew all families, but He “chose”, or “loved” Israel .
Romans 8:28-30 - And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
This is the Golden Chain of Redemption. First Christians were foreknown, then predestined, then called, then justified, then glorified. So if God foreknows everyone, then all must also end up being glorified. This would be universalism, which can’t be true because we know some people end up in Hell. Being foreknown, or being “known” by God is more like being “fore-loved” as some commentators have noted. Note that we are passive in all of these things. God is doing all of these things to us. It is personal. God did not merely choose “to save” as some believe.
Also, what would God have seen if He looked down the corridors of time? Eph 2:1-10 tells us that we were dead in trespasses and sins, and were by nature children of wrath just like everyone else. But God made us alive even when we were dead. Re-read the post on Total Depravity if you need a refresher on how bad things were. Before God changes our hearts of stone to hearts of flesh (the natural man can’t receive the things of the Spirit of God - 1 Cor. 2:14) we were enemies of God and had no interest or ability to come to Him (Rom. 5:10, 8:7).
Pastor Sullivant has taught that we become one of the elect at the moment we believe, but the Bible does not support this. That would take all meaning out of the word elect, which means chosen. We become the chosen once we choose God?? Out of our own corrupt nature and free will?? Eph. 1:4 says “He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.” In 2 Tim. 2:10 Paul writes “Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.” They are elect before they obtain salvation, chosen before the foundation of the world, just as the Bible consistently says.
All of this does NOT mean that someone could genuinely desire to be saved, and yet find God unwilling to save that person simply because they are not one of the elect! The fact is that if someone is convicted of sin and cries out to be saved, this is evidence that they are indeed one of the elect. And contrary to what some would say, we do still have to believe. It’s just that we know that God first has to “grant us repentance” 2 Tim. 2:25. Even our faith is a gift from Him. The natural man can’t receive it.
This also does not mean that we do not preach Christ to people. The Great Commission is clear that we need to preach the gospel to everyone. We don’t know who the elect are. We simply do what is commanded of us (preach the gospel to everyone) and we know that Christ will build His church. Rom. 10:14 says “how will they hear without a preacher?” The elect will respond, and the rest will probably make fun of us and our God. 1 Cor. 1:18 – “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”
We can be confident that if our message is clear and true, that God will perform the work that only He can do within the hearers. And if people don’t believe, we do not resort to emotionalism, or clever sales tactics, or whatever to get more “converts”. We don’t lose sleep over those who don’t believe in the sense that it’s our fault that people end up in Hell. We do pray for them earnestly, and ask God to work within them as He has worked within us. Calvinism doesn’t destroy evangelistic zeal, it is the source of it because we know that the elect will respond to God’s truth. He has chosen the “foolishness of preaching to save them that believe” - 1 Cor. 1:21.
Of course there are those that merely profess faith, but are really tares among the wheat, as the parable says. Their fruit will reveal this in time. Remember, tares are very hard to tell apart from the real wheat.
By the way, most Arminians pray like Calvinists. They pray God to change people’s hearts, or have someone share the gospel with them, which is right, but they believe in a “free will” in the sense that God will not impose Himself on them or override their free will. They believe God is already doing everything He can to convince these people to believe, so what more could they ask God to do? Calvinists are not inconsistent here, because we know God is the one Who changes hearts.
Well how can God choose some and not others? Some would say that’s not fair! I would reply that if you want fair, all would be condemned. It is God’s love and grace that keeps any of us from suffering what we deserve. If it is God plus our decision, we would have reason to boast because we were better than those who were too stubborn, right? And don’t we love people in different ways too? I love my wife and children in a different way than I love your wife and children, and that is a good thing. Don’t we allow God to make these distinctions? Read Rom. 9:6-24. You have probably never heard these verses read across a pulpit in Winkler, but the undeniable sovereignty of God in salvation is demonstrated here. So is there unrighteousness with God? “God forbid, may it never be!”
Search the Scriptures. Look up the Bible references, and see whether these things are true. Then thank God for saving you, if you are saved. If you aren’t, bow before your Creator and ask Him to have mercy on you because of the finished work of Jesus, Who bore the punishment that we as sinners deserve.
Are you saying that God puts parameters on our salvation and who can be saved?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what you mean by "parameters", but I would look at it like this: We were all “in Adam” according to Romans 5. While we were enemies of God, while we were still sinners, Christ died for the ungodly.
ReplyDeleteRomans 9:22-24 says:
“What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?”
By leaving some people to His justice, He displays His wrath and holy anger against sin. Remember, He also didn’t save the angels that sinned. By showing mercy to others, He shows His love and compassion. We see the full range of His attributes this way, something that wouldn’t happen if He saved all (where’s His justice?) or if He justly condemned all (where’s His mercy and love?).
The Bible offers salvation to “whosoever will” and “whosoever believes”, but then goes on to explain why some believe and some don’t.
could you say that in plain English please?
ReplyDeleteHow can any dirty rotten sinner be good enough to be saved? A gift is just that, a gift. Isn't that why He is the God of mercy and grace?
Do you also believe that someone can lose their salvation?
Sorry, let me try that again.
ReplyDeleteWe can never be "good enough" to be saved. We were all headed for eternity in Hell. God intervenes and changes the hearts of His people so that instead of being His enemies, we now love Him and cling to Jesus for our salvation. He chose us before the foundation of the world. So no, someone cannot lose their salvation. God saves and we cannot undo His work.
John 3:16
ReplyDeleteMatthew 28:18-20
In regards to your last phrase, what if they are not the elect?
If you are asking about why I would encourage people to ask God to save them, I think I went over this in the three paragraphs beginning, "All of this does NOT mean that someone could genuinely desire to be saved, and yet find God unwilling to save that person simply because they are not one of the elect!", and ending, "He has chosen the “foolishness of preaching to save them that believe” - 1 Cor. 1:21."
ReplyDeleteIf someone is not elect, they will not be convicted of their sin and genuinely ask to be saved.
Why do you make reverence to what Pastor Sullivant teaches?
ReplyDelete"Pastor Sullivant has taught that we become one of the elect at the moment we believe, but the Bible does not support this."
That is not original with Pastor Sullivant.
I reFerenced what Pastor Sullivant teaches because I came across this while I was doing research for the post. In fact, I could have pointed out many more errors, but my goal is not to attack the man. My goal is to help people to think more biblically, and edify the body of Christ. If this means I need to point out errors, so be it.
ReplyDeleteAre you denying that he said this or simply stating that he did not come up with this on his own? Either way, he is the one who gave me a CD of one of his sermons back in 2002.
Nope not denying it at all! why would I? Don't bother answering. I will not be following your blog. I'm so sick of people fighting, arguing, fusing, splinting hairs. it's so unbelievable discouraging it makes me sick and and makes me see why Christianity is such a small minority religion. It almost gets to the point where one says forget the whole thing and do what ever you want.
ReplyDeleteEVERYONE say oh read your bible. Oh "I" have the truth! oh he's wrong! oh he doesn't know what hes talking about. Blah! blah! blah! I give up I soooo can see why the world says there is no truth. Count me out! you "Christians" can fight and slice and argue and scream all you want. I'm done!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good-by weirdos I've had enough. I'll go do my own thing.
Thank you for having the blog about what God's lain on your heart. There seems to be an awakening to deep truths about God that have been put aside for WAY to long. Keep pushing forward. I'll continue to follow your blog. Keep putting forth the gospel. Don't be discouraged only God can change a persons heart.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the support, Rachel! I hope I can be of use to the Potter. It almost seems like we need another reformation of sorts...
ReplyDeleteVery interesting reading...I know Brian Booth in the PVBC would find it all very distasteful. I also have been programmed to believe the way he does. I find these verses in Romans 9 particularly interesting because I mark up my bible a lot and this section show no markings indicating that it has never been preached on during the time I have been there for the last 6 years or so.
ReplyDeleteRomans 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Clearly some people are made for destruction as is indicated in this passage in order for him to show us his attributes of justice and mercy for those he would show mercy to.
I hope the leadership of PVBC does find its way here. For all the talk of "the whole counsel of God" and the Bible being our sole rule for faith and practice, you would think that the book of Romans would be preached through in its entirety.
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